Oct 9, 2025

Imbue CEO Kanjun Qiu comes on the show to discuss this week’s OpenAI news and whether the AI industry will trend toward closed or open ecosystems. by Senior AI Reporter Plus Link Podcasts Podcasts Plus AI Plus Tech Plus The AI industry is at a major crossroads Imbue CEO Kanjun Qiu comes on the show to discuss this week’s OpenAI news and whether the AI industry will trend toward closed or open ecosystems. by Senior AI Reporter Plus Link Hayden Field Plus is The Verge’s senior AI reporter. An AI beat reporter for more than five years, her work has also appeared in CNBC, MIT Technology Review, Wired UK, and other outlets. Hey there, and welcome to Decoder! I’m Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. I’m subbing in for Nilay while he’s still out on parental leave, and I’m excited to keep diving into the good, the bad, and the questionable in the AI industry. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI. The company hosted its annual DevDay in San Francisco on Monday, and I’m still here in person to cover all the news. It announced a bunch of ChatGPT product features and new agent tools, and executives also laid out a pretty bold vision for the future of AI. At the same time, the new Sora iOS app has shoved AI-generated video into the mainstream, creating all sorts of unintended consequences and even surprising OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who’s become the face of Sora memes across the internet. And earlier this week, The New York Times published a great story about how AI-powered job screening has become so prevalent that applicants are starting to sneak in hidden messages to chatbots inside their resumes — effectively trying to prompt-inject the automated job-screening process for a better chance at an interview. I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to help me break all this down. Kanjun has been both a tech founder and investor, and her perspective on AI and the broader tech industry in general is a very unique one. She believes the biggest question hanging over the AI industry today is whether it will resemble the more open, user-centric vision of the early internet or the closed, walled garden approach of the social web. So I wanted to chat with Kanjun about this week’s biggest AI stories to understand what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all. If you’d like to read more on what we talked about in this episode, check out the links below: All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT Questions or comments about this episode? Hit us up at decoder@theverge.com. We really do read every email! Decoder with Nilay Patel Hayden Field Senior AI Reporter Plus AI Plus Decoder Plus OpenAI Plus Podcasts Plus Tech Plus